[mdlug] Systemd Should Be A Fork -- Why Is It Not?

[Gregory Czerniak]

BSDs traditionally offer a complete operating system (kernel and userspace)
in their source tree, while Linux itself is just the kernel.  Linux
distributions generally build up an independent governance structure
(Debian even has a constitution) to manage their combining of the kernel
and some userspace (whether it be GNU or BusyBox or whatever).  Therefore,
there is a different culture in BSD for how to demonstrate the viability of
changes, and it's hard to say "just make a fork" to what is essentially a
government.


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:21:01 -0400
> "A. Zimmer" <andrew.zimmer at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > However, this has not happened with Linux and systemd.  Rather than
> > creating a fork, as would be the most sensible option, the RedHat
> > conglomerate and its lackey developers have attempted, and almost
> > completely succeeded, in dragging the entire Linux community in its
> > preferred direction. The whims of a tiny clique of programmers, with
> > the financial backing of selfish corporate interests, have been
> > forcibly ensconced into an otherwise free and open software
> > environment.
> >
> > Why has there been no outcry?  Why has there been no resistance to
> > this odious imposition?
>
> Wait a minute. There's been a lot of outcry. You should have been on
> the Debian-User mailing list 7-11/2014, and you would have seen outcry.
> More outcry:
>
> * http://ewontfix.com/14/
> * http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html
> * http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd
> * http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm
> * http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
> * http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
> There are many, many more. Also, don't forget that Devuan is busy
> ripping out systemd tenticles from the former Debian, and that Funtoo
> has pledged never to incorporate systemd.
>
> There's plenty of outcry. It's just hard to be heard above the big bux
> megaphone used by Redhat.
>
> SteveT
>
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