[mdlug] Bringing up Linux with Suckless Init plus daemontools-encore
Steve Litt
slitt at troubleshooters.com
Sat Aug 8 15:02:08 EDT 2015
Hi Jeremy,
daemontools has a well known compile error on Linux involving error.h.
Your error didn't look to me like that, but who knows.
I'd try using daemontools-encore at
http://untroubled.org/daemontools-encore/ . It's an easier compile, and
that's what I actually used at
http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/suckless_init_on_plop.htm .
I prefer Funtoo to Gentoo for one reason: Funtoo has gone on record
never to ram systemd on your box.
About Gentoo's taking too much time updating the system, I imagine this
is true only if it's your first update, or you've waited 2 weeks to
update. Or if you're running on a very slow computer or very slow web
connection. OORR, if you're running on a machine that doesn't have
hardware virtualization or you aren't using hardware virtualization. Be
sure to use -enable-kvm! You might need to be root to do it, or make
yourself a member of group kvm.
As far as Virtualbox vs Qemu, on my machine, Virtualbox often
terminates for no good reason, so I switched to Qemu and never looked
back. Here is my runfuntoo.sh, by which I run Funtoo:
============================================
#!/bin/sh
qemu-system-x86_64 -m 4096 -hda funtoo.img -boot d -ctrl-grab \
-cdrom /scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso \
-vga std -enable-kvm \
-netdev user,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
# -show-cursor
#-netdev user,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
# -netdev tap,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
#/scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso
#lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
# -show-cursor
============================================
You'll notice a lot of commented out stuff. I put that in and out as
needed. Also, you switch to booting off hard drive or booting from iso
image by using -boot d for iso "cdrom", and -boot c for hard drive.
Yesterday I installed Void Linux. No systemd, inits with runit. Appears
to have a good package manager called xbps. However, it's the worst
ever documented distro. So if you install it, boot the live CD, MAKE
SURE you're in bash and not some other shell, and then as a normal user,
do the following:
sudo void-installer
The preceding command is a secret, passed from member to member of
the Secret Society of Void Linux, not to be given to the great
unwashed. In fact, the Void website goes out of its way to give you
difficult and outdated installation methods, and never once utters the
phrase "void-installer". Especially secretive is that 8db low sound
Youtube video, that always sorts to the top in a search, by a guy who
rushes and mumbles. He fast-mumbles what sounds like might
"void-installer", but then doesn't pause before hitting enter on the
command, so you can't read what he actually typed. And you can't really
understand what he's mumbling.
As far as I can tell, the scattered Void documentation telling you that
you must partition the disk before installation is outdated:
void-installer gives you a chance to partition at the proper time.
Also confusing is that when you're finished declaring your filesystems,
there's no "Done" tabtarget, so you must use "Back", not knowing if
that will dump all your work (it won't). If you had partitioned ahead
and skipped partitioning in void-installer, using "Back" in the
filesystem declarion part brings the cursor back one, to "partition".
Ugh!
Everything you do with Void, make sure you're in bash, or your command
completion won't work like you expect. Once you get past the incredibly
bad and contradictory Void documentation spread all over the web,
you'll find it's a pretty darn good distro, that boots to a good init
rather than simply declining to boot to the bad one.
If you'd like something simplistic, that inits with runit, doesn't
force you to use a Display Manager, and has few dependencies, Void
Linux is something to investigate.
SteveT
Steve Litt
July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:48:57 -0400
JeremyBekka C <jrchristophel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> I have been working on installing daemontools but am having troubles.
> When I try and run the make command from within the daemontools
> directory I get the following error. I included some extra
> information for context.
>
> ./compile svscan.c
> ./load svscan unix.a byte.a
> cat warn-auto.sh svscanboot.sh > svscanboot
> chmod 755 svscanboot
> ./compile svstat.c
> ./load svstat svpath.o time.a unix.a byte.a
> ./compile svup.c
> ./load svup svpath.o unix.a byte.a
> ./compile tai64n.c
> ./load tai64n timestamp.o time.a unix.a byte.a
> ./compile tai64nlocal.c
> ./load tai64nlocal unix.a byte.a
> cat rts.tests/*.sh > rts.sh
> cat rts.tests/*.exp > rts.exp
> env - /bin/sh rts.sh 2>&1 | cat -v > rts
> diff -u rts.exp rts
> --- rts.exp 2015-08-08 17:13:57.000000000 +0200
> +++ rts 2015-08-08 17:14:29.000000000 +0200
> @@ -266,6 +266,7 @@
> Caught WINCH
> Caught CONT
> Caught TERM
> +rts.sh: line 471: 3392 Terminated svscan `pwd`/service
> > svscan.log 2>&1
> ==> svc0/output <==
> svc0 ran
>
> Makefile:352: recipe for target 'rts' failed
> make: *** [rts] Error 1
>
>
> I have also tried the directions given from his website (
> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/install.html) on how to install
> daemontools and get another error as well. That error is as follows:
>
> stralloc_pend.o strerr_die.o strerr_sys.o subgetopt.o wait_nohang.o \
> wait_pid.o
> ./load envdir unix.a byte.a
> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-
>
> linux-gnu/4.9.2/../../../../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: errno:
> TLS definition in /lib64/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS
> reference in envdir.o
> /lib64/libc.so.6: error adding symbols: Bad value
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
> Makefile:111: recipe for target 'envdir' failed
> make: *** [envdir] Error 1
>
>
> I think I am following all the directions correctly but cannot
> figure out what is going on. Could this be a problem with virtualbox
> and should I try Qemu?
>
>
> Also, regarding Gentoo, I actually had it running on my laptop before
> I installed Manjaro OpenRC. Gentoo was a lot of work to install but I
> did learn a lot from that process. I took the manual kernel
> configuration route in order to learn a little more about the kernel.
> I liked Gentoo, but I did get a little annoyed with how slow it was
> to install software and to update the system. It would take me 24hrs
> to do a full system update unless I held back Libreoffice from being
> upgraded also. Even then it would take a few hours.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Steve Litt
> <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 23:03:57 -0400
> > JeremyBekka C <jrchristophel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > So, I started working on my home desktop computer. I did have one
> > > problem but I figured it out and now have Plop installed on my VM.
> >
> > Excellent!
> >
> > > The problem that I ran into was when I went to tar the
> > > plop-linux-desktop file to /mnt/xfer all would start working but
> > > then part way through the process it stopped coping the files
> > > because the device did not have enough room. I solved this
> > > problem by making a larger virtual hard drive (15gb hda1, 30gb
> > > swap), and everything worked just fine.
> >
> > I think you could have gotten away with 2GB of swap, but you're
> > right, life's too short to risk running short of time.
> >
> > > I had previously tried a partition of 2gb hda1 and
> > > 6gb swap setup but the same problem occurred. So, next thing on my
> > > list is to do the Suckless install.
> >
> > After you get Suckless Init plus daemontools-encore with LittKit
> > installed, I predict you'll never view the Init process the same
> > way, and you'll find very amusing all the authorities who crawl out
> > of the woodwork when that certain init system gets discussed.
> >
> > By the way, if you ever install Gentoo or Funtoo, use 28GB for your
> > VDI disk and take 2GB of that for swap. Gentoo and Funtoo require
> > gobs of RAM for kernel compilation.
> >
> > Oh, also, I gave up on VirtualBox after it became too unreliable for
> > me, and I'm using strictly Qemu now.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
> > July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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