[mdlug] Systemd Thread (Was: Completely replacing Windows 98se with Linux!)

[Jonathan Billings]

On Aug 19, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Linus made quit a point of how Poettering has the habit of, rather
> than fixing the bugs in his own code, he'd would rather take an ax, a
> match, and a can of gasoline to any code with which his own project(*)
> doesn't interface welL... and while he's doing that, screwing over the
> entire user base of the other until he pulls his head out of his own ass
> and fixes all of the damage he does.(**)

Just a point of order, most of Linus's rants have been against Kay Sievers, not Poettering.  Not just the 'debug' mess but also with how udev is handled.  The systemd guys took over development of udev too, which is probably why you're bringing this up.

I have no problem with Linus publicly shaming poor code on the lkml -- that seems to be his thing.  Steve Jobs was also an absolute jerk to his employees.  It was how he motivated people.  (I worked with someone who worked with Steve at NeXT, he called it the Genius/Sh*thead rollercoaster.)  Linus has forced out plenty of excellent programmers, such as Alan Cox, because of his abuse.  Linus bashes all sorts of developers, even the authors of gcc itself.

I'm unsurprised there is friction.  I don't really view it as damning evidence of the poor quality code of systemd, just evidence that the intersection of udev, systemd and the kernel is buggy in the HEAD of development.  

This thread started talking about the relative merits of running 'systemd' but has somehow wandered around racist screeds, paranoid conspiracies and now Linus rants.  I'm excited to see where it goes next.



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Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


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