[mdlug] OT - IR jamming

[Dave Arbogast]

>>> <>Then we have become as bad as Joseph Stalin when we ignore our
>>> Constitution and the Geneva Convention. These "Enemy Combatants" 
>>> held in
>>> Cuba were denied protection under the Geneva Convention for YEARS !!
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>THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO GENEVA CONVENTION PROTECTION.
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>Fight without a uniform -- and you lose all Geneva Convention 
>protections.
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Well, from their perspective, they ARE in uniform. The Muslin uniform. 
Remember, to _them_ this is a religious war. We are the Super Power that 
history proves will fall. If we don't hold ourselves to a higher 
standard than they do, we will only accelerate our fall.

>>There were their Red Cross visits ? Don't get me started about water 
>>boarding either.
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>None of that matters.
>They were caught on battlefields, fighting out of uniform.
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>The Geneva Convention DOES recognize irregular soldiers and
>militia -- you can fight as such as long as you wear some
>article of clothing which distinguishes you from the civilian
>populace, and still qualify for GC protection.
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They did not sign it either. Nor did USSR - so how could be condemn them 
for their treatment of the Afghan Mohsedeem ?  We are complete 
hypocrites on this page in history

>>to atomic bombs vaporizing civilians in Japan, putting US citizens in 
>>prison w/o trial because they had Japanese heritage...  There are more 
>>examples I am sure.
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>Blame Truman and FDR.
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NO !!!!!   BLAME OUR FELLOW AMERICANS FOR STANDING FOR IT !!!! Just as 
some Americans are standing for torture in Cuba now.... And ignoring of 
FISA and granting the Big Telco's immunity for violation of FISA...

>>Part of the responsibility of being the only current super power is 
>>sticking to the rule of law. We have not been in this war - FISA is 
>>another good example. Safety is of no value when you trample the very 
>>liberty from tyranny you are combating. The end does not justify the 
>>means any more for them than it does for us.
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>FISA is a Cold War law, designed with the Cold War's "gentleman's
>rules" of espionage.
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>The current wiretapping debate has been grossly mischaracterized.
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>The ONLY calls which can be monitored are those originating
>from overseas...
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>And EVERY country on the planet has always reserved the right
>to monitor ALL communications passing over the borders -- the
>lone exception being diplomatic communications (which is the
>origin of the "diplomatic pouch"... customs and police are
>specifically prohibited from searching a diplomatic pouch.
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>All other communication which crosses the borders is, and
>always has been, subject to monitoring.
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I guess to some the Rule of Law, and not the rule of what the President 
dictates to be the law, is all that counts. I am sorry if the current 
laws are not convenient to the Executive branch, but tell me, when did 
the FISA court ever - EVER - block a wire tap ? :-)  Never. Even post 
Morton as the law allows for. Never.

This is the type of reasoning that allowed Hitler his ultimate control. 
He did not get it over night. He got it piece by piece. The Executive 
branch did not get all this power since 9-11, it has been a building 
process. Right now, it is past the line in the Constitution.

Cold war or not, Law is Law.

-dave