[mdlug] OT - IR jamming

[Aaron Kulkis]

Dave Arbogast wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> 
>> Dave Arbogast wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>> |> If anyone's interested in building an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space
>>>> |> Modulator I've got a neutronium barrel - practically new - that I can
>>>> |> contribute to the project. Full disclosure: the anti-matter containment
>>>> |> field is a big flaky.
>>>> |>
>>>> |> Allen
>>>> |>
>>>> | WOW!  I guess the censorship of our press during this war has been
>>>> | effective in confusing me ;-)
>>>>
>>>> LOL - and I was just wondering when the FBI was going to show up at
>>>> Allen's door and cart him off to Gitmo.
>>>>
>>>> - --
>>>> Thomas Cameron, RHCE, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>> LOL !!  Would not be the first US Citizen to be hauled there w/o court, 
>>> trial, lawyer, etc.
>>>    
>>>
>> Of course, to get such special treatment, you have to work
>> at it -- specifically, to train with, and swear allegience
>> to people who are at war with the United States.
>>
>> At that point, you're no longer a civilian, and you fall
>> under Geneva Convention rules.  If you choose to carry out
>> your struggle without wearing a uniform (which can be as
>> simple as an identification armband), or do other things
>> such as setting up military facilities among the civilian
>> populace, and other ways of deliberately causing your
>> enemy's actions against you to maximize civilian casualties,
>> or placing military equipment in protected places (such as
>> hospitals, religious sites, etc.) then you're a war
>> criminal, and even the Geneva Convention classfies you as
>> an "illegal combatant" and you have NO protections --
>> basically, the life and well-being of an illegal combatant
>> are at the whim of his or her captors.
>>
>> Legal combatants must be freed upon the end of hostilities,
>> as they are not detained for reason of wrong-doing, only to
>> prevent them from returning to the fight.
>>
>> Illegal combatants have no such rights.
>>
>> During WW2, several Germans, along with one U.S. citizen
>> were landed on the Atlantic Coast, for the purpose of
>> committing sabotage against American industry.
>>
>> As they were all dressed in civilian clothes, and wore
>> nothing to identify themselves as combatants, they
>> all (including the U.S. Citizen) got the Jose Padilla
>> treatment.  6 of the 8 were executed, including the
>> U.S. citizen.
>>
>> Similarly, although many are reluctant to admit it,
>> when a bunch of aviators participated in "The Great
>> Escape" from a German POW camp (yes, the movie is
>> based on a real event, and quite accurately), and
>> most wore civilian clothing (or uniforms modified
>> to look like civilian clothing), and many were
>> captured, with 50 executed, IN THIS INCIDENT the
>> Gestapo actually was operating within the Geneva
>> Convention.
>>
>>  
>>
> Then we have become as bad as Joseph Stalin when we ignore our 
> Constitution and the Geneva Convention. These "Enemy Combatants" held in 
> Cuba were denied protection under the Geneva Convention for YEARS !!  

THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO GENEVA CONVENTION PROTECTION.

Fight without a uniform -- and you lose all Geneva Convention 
protections.

> There were their Red Cross visits ? Don't get me started about water 
> boarding either.

None of that matters.
They were caught on battlefields, fighting out of uniform.

The Geneva Convention DOES recognize irregular soldiers and
militia -- you can fight as such as long as you wear some
article of clothing which distinguishes you from the civilian
populace, and still qualify for GC protection.

> 
> We committed various war crimes in W.W.II as well. The fire bombing of 
> the German civilian population was intentional and criminal.

I completely agree with that assessment.

 > So were the
> to atomic bombs vaporizing civilians in Japan, putting US citizens in 
> prison w/o trial because they had Japanese heritage...  There are more 
> examples I am sure.

Blame Truman and FDR.

> 
> Part of the responsibility of being the only current super power is 
> sticking to the rule of law. We have not been in this war - FISA is 
> another good example. Safety is of no value when you trample the very 
> liberty from tyranny you are combating. The end does not justify the 
> means any more for them than it does for us.

FISA is a Cold War law, designed with the Cold War's "gentleman's
rules" of espionage.

The current wiretapping debate has been grossly mischaracterized.

The ONLY calls which can be monitored are those originating
from overseas...

And EVERY country on the planet has always reserved the right
to monitor ALL communications passing over the borders -- the
lone exception being diplomatic communications (which is the
origin of the "diplomatic pouch"... customs and police are
specifically prohibited from searching a diplomatic pouch.

All other communication which crosses the borders is, and
always has been, subject to monitoring.

> 
> -dave
> 
> PS - Stalin literally worked countless former German POW's to death 
> after the war. I saw some of the fruits of their forced labor in my 
> wife's home town in Ukraine.....  we went on a short trip outside of 
> town. The road was the best road I have seen there, but was in the 
> middle of nowhere and went to a small group of "summer residences". I 
> asked about this road and the laughing response was "It is the Nazi 
> road. It has 4m deep foundation rather than normal 1.2m. It was made 
> after the war by the German POW's"

The USSR was not a GC signatory power during WW2.
The Germans were very upset that the Red Army didn't observe
proper GC protections for captured German soldiers....completely
overlooking their own gross GC violations with respect to civilians.

War is very messy.