[mdlug-discuss] health care (was: Iraq stuff again)

[Aaron Kulkis]

Robert Adkins wrote:
> allen wrote:
>> Oh sure. Freedom means freedom to be misled, to be put your faith in
>> insincere promises and to allow greed, or fear, to triumph over reason. 
>> Socialized medicine, indeed socialized anything, makes putting bad 
>> choices right more difficult because socialism concentrates power in the 
>> hands of the few and people with power will find all sorts of rationales 
>> to avoid relinquishing that power when they have to bother with 
>> rationales at all.
>>   
>     Oh sure. Freedom means freedom to be misled, to be put your faith in 
> insincere promises and to allow greed, or fear, to triumph over reason.

People who jump at "too good to be true" schemes deserve to be
taken... they're just as malignantly greedy as the people who
are swindling them... a con artist's favorite mark is someone
who is dishonest at heart... (look at politicians who try to
sell the public on the idea that if elected, they will give
them something for nothing.. or, at someone else's expense..
the reality is, IF the program is enacted, the money to the
the targeted population is just a dribble, and usually it
comes out of their own pockets (either in higher taxes levied
on them, or in greater periods of unemployment as the business
climate is slowly destroyed by taxing those who would otherwise
be able to hire them...and the politician laughs all the way
to the capitol)

> *Capitalized* medicine, indeed *capitalized* anything, makes putting bad 
> choices right more difficult because *capitalism* concentrates power in 
> the hands of the few and people with power will find all sorts of 
> rationales to avoid relinquishing that power when they have to bother 
> with rationales at all.

There are courts to remedy solutions for those who deliberately mislead.

And John Edwards made his fortune taking such cases under a
(commonly offered) deal of .. if I lose the case, you pay
nothing for my services, if I win the case, then I get X%
of the court's award.

> 
>     See? The exact same thing can be said about capitalism and if you 
> can't see that, then you are indeed blind. Our nation's history is 
> filled with those in power via capitalism finding all sorts of 
> rationales to avoid relinquishing the power they have obtained.
> 
>     Look at what Henry Ford did to fight the Unions.
> 
>     Look at the more modern examples of the MPAA and their fight against 
> the VCR.
> 
>     Look at the examples of today with the RIAA and the MPAA fighting 
> technology to hold onto their power.
> 
>     A middle ground is something that needs to be found.

Very true.