[mdlug] Bringing up Linux with Suckless Init plus daemontools-encore

JeremyBekka C jrchristophel at gmail.com
Sun Sep 6 23:16:31 EDT 2015 

Here is one other link that I can not get to:

http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/second_ps_ax_suckless_init_on_plop.txt


I do have one other quick question. Can I follow your instructions from
this webpage (http://troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/daemontools_intro.htm)
if I have daemontools-encore installed? The tests you have to see if it is
running correctly seem to be different than the ones on the plop linux
page. I already have daemontools-encore running on my Manjaro install, but
not sure how I sould procede to use it.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 10:57 PM, JeremyBekka C <jrchristophel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Steve,
>
> I got daemontools-encore to install and everything is working fine. I am
> having a fun time working my way through that tutorial because I am
> learning a lot. I am now up to the point of installing Littkit.
>
> I am not sure if you know this but you have a couple of broken links on
> that page. When I try and go to these pages:
>
> (http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/dolog_ax_suckless_init_on_plop.txt)
> and
> (http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/ps_ax_suckless_init_on_plop.txt)
>
> all I get is a HTTP 404 file not found error.
>
> I looked at Void Linux and Funtoo and they both look like really nice
> distros. I think I will give them a closer look at some point.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> daemontools has a well known compile error on Linux involving error.h.
>> Your error didn't look to me like that, but who knows.
>>
>> I'd try using daemontools-encore at
>> http://untroubled.org/daemontools-encore/ . It's an easier compile, and
>> that's what I actually used at
>> http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/suckless_init_on_plop.htm .
>>
>> I prefer Funtoo to Gentoo for one reason: Funtoo has gone on record
>> never to ram systemd on your box.
>>
>> About Gentoo's taking too much time updating the system, I imagine this
>> is true only if it's your first update, or you've waited 2 weeks to
>> update. Or if you're running on a very slow computer or very slow web
>> connection. OORR, if you're running on a machine that doesn't have
>> hardware virtualization or you aren't using hardware virtualization. Be
>> sure to use -enable-kvm! You might need to be root to do it, or make
>> yourself a member of group kvm.
>>
>> As far as Virtualbox vs Qemu, on my machine, Virtualbox often
>> terminates for no good reason, so I switched to Qemu and never looked
>> back. Here is my runfuntoo.sh, by which I run Funtoo:
>>
>> ============================================
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> qemu-system-x86_64  -m 4096 -hda funtoo.img -boot d -ctrl-grab \
>>  -cdrom /scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso \
>>  -vga std  -enable-kvm \
>> -netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
>>
>> # -show-cursor
>>
>>
>> #-netdev user,id=mynet0          -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
>> # -netdev tap,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
>>
>> #/scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso
>>
>> #lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
>>
>> # -show-cursor
>>
>> ============================================
>>
>> You'll notice a lot of commented out stuff. I put that in and out as
>> needed. Also, you switch to booting off hard drive or booting from iso
>> image by using -boot d for iso "cdrom", and -boot c for hard drive.
>>
>> Yesterday I installed Void Linux. No systemd, inits with runit. Appears
>> to have a good package manager called xbps. However, it's the worst
>> ever documented distro. So if you install it, boot the live CD, MAKE
>> SURE you're in bash and not some other shell, and then as a normal user,
>> do the following:
>>
>> sudo void-installer
>>
>> The preceding command is a secret, passed from member to member of
>> the Secret Society of Void Linux, not to be given to the great
>> unwashed. In fact, the Void website goes out of its way to give you
>> difficult and outdated installation methods, and never once utters the
>> phrase "void-installer". Especially secretive is that 8db low sound
>> Youtube video, that always sorts to the top in a search, by a guy who
>> rushes and mumbles. He fast-mumbles what sounds like might
>> "void-installer", but then doesn't pause before hitting enter on the
>> command, so you can't read what he actually typed. And you can't really
>> understand what he's mumbling.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the scattered Void documentation telling you that
>> you must partition the disk before installation is outdated:
>> void-installer gives you a chance to partition at the proper time.
>>
>> Also confusing is that when you're finished declaring your filesystems,
>> there's no "Done" tabtarget, so you must use "Back", not knowing if
>> that will dump all your work (it won't). If you had partitioned ahead
>> and skipped partitioning in void-installer, using "Back" in the
>> filesystem declarion part brings the cursor back one, to "partition".
>> Ugh!
>>
>> Everything you do with Void, make sure you're in bash, or your command
>> completion won't work like you expect. Once you get past the incredibly
>> bad and contradictory Void documentation spread all over the web,
>> you'll find it's a pretty darn good distro, that boots to a good init
>> rather than simply declining to boot to the bad one.
>>
>> If you'd like something simplistic, that inits with runit, doesn't
>> force you to use a Display Manager, and has few dependencies, Void
>> Linux is something to investigate.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:48:57 -0400
>> JeremyBekka C <jrchristophel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Steve,
>> >
>> > I have been working on installing daemontools but am having troubles.
>> > When I try and run the make command from within the daemontools
>> > directory I get the following error. I included some extra
>> > information for context.
>> >
>> > ./compile svscan.c
>> > ./load svscan unix.a byte.a
>> > cat warn-auto.sh svscanboot.sh > svscanboot
>> > chmod 755 svscanboot
>> > ./compile svstat.c
>> > ./load svstat svpath.o time.a unix.a byte.a
>> > ./compile svup.c
>> > ./load svup svpath.o unix.a byte.a
>> > ./compile tai64n.c
>> > ./load tai64n timestamp.o time.a unix.a byte.a
>> > ./compile tai64nlocal.c
>> > ./load tai64nlocal unix.a byte.a
>> > cat rts.tests/*.sh > rts.sh
>> > cat rts.tests/*.exp > rts.exp
>> > env - /bin/sh rts.sh 2>&1 | cat -v > rts
>> > diff -u rts.exp rts
>> > --- rts.exp    2015-08-08 17:13:57.000000000 +0200
>> > +++ rts    2015-08-08 17:14:29.000000000 +0200
>> > @@ -266,6 +266,7 @@
>> >  Caught WINCH
>> >  Caught CONT
>> >  Caught TERM
>> > +rts.sh: line 471:  3392 Terminated              svscan `pwd`/service
>> > > svscan.log 2>&1
>> >  ==> svc0/output <==
>> >  svc0 ran
>> >
>> > Makefile:352: recipe for target 'rts' failed
>> > make: *** [rts] Error 1
>> >
>> >
>> > I have also tried the directions given from his website (
>> > http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/install.html) on how to install
>> > daemontools and get another error as well. That error is as follows:
>> >
>> > stralloc_pend.o strerr_die.o strerr_sys.o subgetopt.o wait_nohang.o \
>> > wait_pid.o
>> > ./load envdir unix.a byte.a
>> > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-
>> >
>> > linux-gnu/4.9.2/../../../../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: errno:
>> > TLS definition in /lib64/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS
>> > reference in envdir.o
>> > /lib64/libc.so.6: error adding symbols: Bad value
>> > collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>> > Makefile:111: recipe for target 'envdir' failed
>> > make: *** [envdir] Error 1
>> >
>> >
>> >  I think I am following all the directions correctly but cannot
>> > figure out what is going on. Could this be a problem with virtualbox
>> > and should I try Qemu?
>> >
>> >
>> > Also, regarding Gentoo, I actually had it running on my laptop before
>> > I installed Manjaro OpenRC. Gentoo was a lot of work to install but I
>> > did learn a lot from that process. I took the manual kernel
>> > configuration route in order to learn a little more about the kernel.
>> > I liked Gentoo, but I did get a little annoyed with how slow it was
>> > to install software and to update the system. It would take me 24hrs
>> > to do a full system update unless I held back Libreoffice from being
>> > upgraded also. Even then it would take a few hours.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Jeremy
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Steve Litt
>> > <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 23:03:57 -0400
>> > > JeremyBekka C <jrchristophel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > So, I started working on my home desktop computer. I did have one
>> > > > problem but I figured it out and now have Plop installed on my VM.
>> > >
>> > > Excellent!
>> > >
>> > > > The problem that I ran into was when I went to tar the
>> > > > plop-linux-desktop file to /mnt/xfer all would start working but
>> > > > then part way through the process it stopped coping the files
>> > > > because the device did not have enough room. I solved this
>> > > > problem by making a larger virtual hard drive (15gb hda1, 30gb
>> > > > swap), and everything worked just fine.
>> > >
>> > > I think you could have gotten  away with 2GB of swap, but you're
>> > > right, life's too short to risk running short of time.
>> > >
>> > > > I had previously tried a partition of 2gb hda1 and
>> > > > 6gb swap setup but the same problem occurred. So, next thing on my
>> > > > list is to do the Suckless install.
>> > >
>> > > After you get Suckless Init plus daemontools-encore with LittKit
>> > > installed, I predict you'll never view the Init process the same
>> > > way, and you'll find very amusing all the authorities who crawl out
>> > > of the woodwork when that certain init system gets discussed.
>> > >
>> > > By the way, if you ever install Gentoo or Funtoo, use 28GB for your
>> > > VDI disk and take 2GB of that for swap. Gentoo and Funtoo require
>> > > gobs of RAM for kernel compilation.
>> > >
>> > > Oh, also, I gave up on VirtualBox after it became too unreliable for
>> > > me, and I'm using strictly Qemu now.
>> > >
>> > > SteveT
>> > >
>> > > Steve Litt
>> > > July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
>> > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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