[mdlug] KDE 4

[Aaron Kulkis]

Stan Green wrote:
> I run KDE 3.5 on my desktop and on my wife's PC I have KDE 4.x. (It is SUSE 11, 
> which does not ship with KDE 3.5.)
> 
> The one major thing that was a huge pain was no desktop icons! In KDE 3.5 I can 
> create a symbolic link on the desktop. This way she can open her documents and 
> not care where they are on the file system. (She modifies a few documents on a 
> regular basis.)  I did find a work-around by making the desktop display the 
> contents of a folder. I them put the symbolic links in the folder and I have 
> desktop icons back. I guess Segio did not get rid of all the desktop icon code. 
> 

The KDE 4 team, did so, and VERY begrudgingly, after several
MONTHS of berating emails on the opensuse mailing lists
[Many KDE devs subscribe to the opensuse list.  This is how
I'm aware of the lying.  The swore up and down that 4.0 was
"ready for the desktop user" ... all of use who tested it
said in no uncertain terms, that it was alpha-ware crap and
should NOT in any way, shape or form, be indicated on the
openSUSE 11.0 release as anything other than extremely
incomplete and unstable, so that newbies wouldn't install
it (hey, 4.0 must be better than 3.5, right!?!?!) thinking
that it represents the typical quality of Linux software.

But they did, anyways.  The whole KDE 4 project has been
notable for the incredible levels of dishonesty from the
devs, [[which they finally admitted about 15 months ago]].
If they can't be honest with their most ardent supporters,
and in fact, lie to us, in writing, repeatedly, even AFTER
being called out on it ... I cannot trust this crowd one bit.

And I will not trust them until Segio and others are
removed from the KDE team.

And that really sucks, because I find Gnome to be an
extremely ugly, inflexible crap written by a bunch with
an MS-like "we know better than you" attitude ("the
'average user' should want it this way, therefore so
should you, so don't bother looking to customize it")
The problem is, the "average user" is a myth.



> Stan
> 
> 
> On Monday 28 June 2010 11:33:18 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Jim Broughton wrote:
>>> I just recently installed Slackware 13.1 and have my second look
>>> at the KDE 4 series desktop. I am appalled at what I see.
>>> After 3 years thats all they have to show. I think that they should have
>>> gone with a dual track, refining 3.5 while putting 4 into usable shape.
>>> While
>>> KDE 4  looks pretty it is harder to configure than the older 3.5 series
>>> I was used to under Slack 12.2. It lacks a lot the programs that
>>> were available under 3.5. The default menu system just plain sucks.
>>> I guess their objective was to dumb it down a bit for the normal user
>>> but at the
>>> same time the fallout has been that a power user is left with a system
>>> that just plain is not fun to use or configure.
>>> I have kept in mind that Slackware does a minimal amount of
>>> configuration work on the desktop software so that what you see is pretty
>>> much what the KDE team released. I was so annoyed by it I downgraded
>>> (upgraded?) my Laptop to the XFCE desktop. I will probably have to
>>> compile/build KDE 3.5 for it.  Anyone else here using KDE 4 for
>>> your desktop? Opinions?
>> project leader Aaron Segio is a pathological liar, and I will never trust
>> ANYTHING associated with this man.
>>
>> For instance, the KDE team propaganda, lead by Segio, state
>> that KDE4 was a complete rewrite from the bottom up -- this
>> being the excuse for normal desktop interactions which we have
>> all come to know and love in KDE 3.5..
>>
>> ...and yet segio (too cool for capital letters) stated on his
>> blog words to the effect of "finally, after a lot of work, I've
>> ripped all the desktop icons code out of KDE4"
>>
>> What code is there to "rip out" if their story that they
>> were "building from the ground up" were true, and they were
>> not re-using KDE 3.5 code.
>>
>> Additionally, many of the photos that the man PUTS ON HIS
>> OWN website indicate a total jack*** with a completely
>> flippant attitude.
>>
>> KDE is becoming the NetBSD of the Linux world. :-(
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