I have heard a date for the 7th, which would actually be the first Saturday of the month. The second would be the 14th? Which is it? -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org