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color=#0000ff size=2>Are these computers available online? I'd like to check
them out, but I doubt I'll get out that way anytime soon. From the original
post, I don't think so :(</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>-- Tim Morris - UGS PLM
Software</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> mdlug-bounces@mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-bounces@mdlug.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>God of
Lemmings<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 01, 2007 2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
mdlug@mdlug.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [mdlug] Fwd: President's mail bag - Store to
offer Linuxpreinstalled<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Note about the current nvidia video drivers: The newer ones have a memory
leak that nvidia has been </DIV>
<DIV>working on for a few months already, it appears when compositing is
enabled, and such compositing </DIV>
<DIV>is required for Compiz and Beryl. You may wish to read about it at nvidia:s
forums. </DIV><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>Begin forwarded message: </DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><B><FONT color=#000000>From: </FONT></B>ebradley01@wowway.com </DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT color=#000000>Date: </FONT></B>June 1, 2007 1:10:40 PM EST
</DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT color=#000000>To: </FONT></B>mdlug@mdlug.org </DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT color=#000000>Subject: </FONT>Re: [mdlug] President's mail bag -
Store to offer Linux preinstalled </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Reply-To: </FONT></B>"MDLUG's Main discussion list"
<mdlug@mdlug.org> </DIV><BR>
<DIV><snip> </DIV><BR>
<DIV>We are also considering offering preloaded laptops. Currently </DIV>
<DIV>I have an Ubuntu 7.04 system decked out with the full Compiz/Beryl 3D
</DIV>
<DIV>desktop. The reaction to it has been overwhelmingly positive. It is
</DIV>
<DIV>helping to show that Linux is ready for home use. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>The Sytem Specs are: </DIV>
<DIV>AMD Athlon 64 3200+ </DIV>
<DIV>1 GB DDR2 Memory </DIV>
<DIV>80 GB SATA2 Hard Drive </DIV>
<DIV>18X Dual Layer DVD Burner </DIV>
<DIV>MSI Nvidia 7300GT PCIe Card </DIV><BR>
<DIV>We are selling the system for $399. </DIV><BR>
<DIV></snip> </DIV><BR>
<DIV>This seems like a really good deal to me...at least, when taken at
face-value. </DIV>
<DIV>Anything other than the above specs that should be considered when
pricing a </DIV>
<DIV>laptop for general usage purposes? (Internet, email, multimedia playback,
no </DIV>
<DIV>games...) </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Just looking to get everyone's opinion... </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>Evan </DIV><BR>
<DIV>-- </DIV>
<DIV>"The road of life is rocky, and you may stumble too. So while you point
your </DIV>
<DIV>finger; someone else is judging you." --Bob Marley </DIV><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Subject: mdlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 </DIV><BR>
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<DIV>Today's Topics: </DIV><BR>
<DIV>1. Converting DVDs to play on a Palm (Ingles, Raymond) </DIV>
<DIV>2. President's mail bag - Store to offer Linux preinstalled </DIV>
<DIV>(Raymond McLaughlin) </DIV>
<DIV>3. Forget Perl, I'm switching to LOLCODE! (Wolfger) </DIV>
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<DIV>Message: 1 </DIV>
<DIV>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:03:18 -0400 </DIV>
<DIV>From: "Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles@compuware.com> </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: [mdlug] Converting DVDs to play on a Palm </DIV>
<DIV>To: "Mdlug (E-mail)" <mdlug@mdlug.org> </DIV>
<DIV>Message-ID: </DIV>
<DIV><41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33DAB@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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<DIV>I got a spare 512MB SD card and decided to try this out, since I'd
</DIV>
<DIV>heard of people doing it. So, I did some googling and put together a
</DIV>
<DIV>script or two to handle this. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Basically, you use "mencoder" to read the DVD and convert it to </DIV>
<DIV>DIVX format, scaling the video to fit the 320x320 screen. I also </DIV>
<DIV>compress the audio to 128Kbit MP3 format, since I don't need a Dolby
</DIV>
<DIV>soundtrack. :-> I've had very good results with a 224Mbit/sec video
</DIV>
<DIV>rate. It looks quite good on the screen, better than VHS (certainly
</DIV>
<DIV>richer color). </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Last night I converted the movie "Aliens". It's a 154-minute movie
</DIV>
<DIV>in 16x9 format. It converted down to a 320x180 image, and takes up
</DIV>
<DIV>403MB on the card. That took approximately an hour and twenty </DIV>
<DIV>minutes on my dual-2GHz Athlon system. (If I used one-pass encoding
</DIV>
<DIV>it would have been about half that.) </DIV><BR>
<DIV>I let the movie run all the way through (two hours and 34 minutes)
</DIV>
<DIV>today as the Treo 650 sat on my desk as I worked (with the sound </DIV>
<DIV>muted) and my battery went from 99% to 77%. Not bad. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>It's a toy, sure, but might be fun on a long trip. I could fit five
</DIV>
<DIV>or six half-hour TV shows on my card easily. Anyway, if anyone's </DIV>
<DIV>interested, the script I use is below. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Sincerely, </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Ray Ingles (313) 227-2317 </DIV><BR>
<DIV>"Computers let you make more mistakes faster than any other </DIV>
<DIV>invention in human history, with the possible exception of </DIV>
<DIV>handguns and tequila." - Mitch Radcliffe </DIV><BR>
<DIV>---begin dvd2palm.sh--- </DIV>
<DIV>#!/bin/sh </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Converts DVDs to AVI files suitable for viewing on a Palm w/TCPMP
</DIV><BR>
<DIV># If you're skipping frames, increase FPS. If duplicating, decrease
FPS. </DIV>
<DIV># Usual values are 24000/1001 (23.976), 24, 25 (PAL), 30000/1001
(29.97), 30. </DIV>
<DIV>FPS=24000/1001 </DIV><BR>
<DIV># My Palm has a 320x320 screen. If you have a 480x320 screen, try "480"
here. </DIV>
<DIV>SCALEW=320 </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Set audio mode - these are arranged in decreasing order of likelyhood
</DIV>
<DIV># to sync properly </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Full AC3 audio, takes up a fair amount of space. </DIV>
<DIV>#AUDIO=copy </DIV>
<DIV># Constant bit rate MP3, the 'br' field sets the bit rate </DIV>
<DIV>AUDIO="mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=128" </DIV>
<DIV># Average bit rate MP3, the 'br' field sets the bit rate </DIV>
<DIV>#AUDIO="mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=128" </DIV>
<DIV># Variable bit rate MP3, sometimes has sync problems </DIV>
<DIV>#AUDIO="mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3" </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Set crop, if needed </DIV>
<DIV># Get these numbers by running the command: mplayer -ss 60 -vf
</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>scale=320:-2,cropdetect dvd://[track number] </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>#CROP=",crop=320:160:0:28" </DIV><BR>
<DIV># For mixed progressive/telecined content </DIV>
<DIV>#PULLUP=",pullup,softskip" </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Set video bit rate, feel free to experiment here to see what fits
</DIV>
<DIV>VBITRATE=224 </DIV>
<DIV>#VBITRATE=336 </DIV>
<DIV>#VBITRATE=448 </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Use DIVX </DIV>
<DIV>DIVX="-ffourcc divx" </DIV><BR>
<DIV># These are the key parameters we gotta have from the user. </DIV>
<DIV># Spaces in the output file name are probably not a good idea. </DIV>
<DIV>DVDTITLE=$1 </DIV>
<DIV>NEWNAME=$2.avi </DIV><BR>
<DIV># These are optional parameters that can be tweaked but have default
values. </DIV>
<DIV># You might want to change the default to match your system. </DIV>
<DIV>DVDDEV=${3:-"/dev/dvd"} </DIV>
<DIV># 128 is the default audio track on a DVD, usually </DIV>
<DIV>AUDIOTRACK=${4:-128} </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Make sure we got the minimum info needed. </DIV>
<DIV>if [ -z "${DVDTITLE}" -o -z "$2" ]; then </DIV>
<DIV>echo "Usage: " $0 " dvd-title output-name [dvd-device] [audio- </DIV>
<DIV>track]" exit -1 fi </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Just in case one's left over from a previous encoding run. </DIV>
<DIV>rm -rf divx2pass.log </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Two-pass encoding, takes longer but produces best quality for a given
bitrate </DIV>
<DIV>mencoder -dvd-device ${DVDDEV} dvd://${DVDTITLE} -aid ${AUDIOTRACK} -
</DIV>
<DIV>ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpass=1:vbi trate=${VBITRATE} -ofps
</DIV>
<DIV>${FPS} ${DIVX} -oac ${AUDIO} -vf scale=${SCALEW}:-2${CROP}${PULLUP} -
</DIV>
<DIV>o /dev/null </DIV><BR>
<DIV>mencoder -dvd-device ${DVDDEV} dvd://${DVDTITLE} -aid ${AUDIOTRACK} -
</DIV>
<DIV>ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpass=2:vbi trate=${VBITRATE} -ofps
</DIV>
<DIV>${FPS} ${DIVX} -oac ${AUDIO} -vf scale=${SCALEW}:-2${CROP}${PULLUP} -
</DIV>
<DIV>o ${NEWNAME} </DIV><BR>
<DIV># Clean up after ourselves. </DIV>
<DIV>rm -rf divx2pass.log </DIV>
<DIV>----end dvd2palm.sh---- </DIV><BR>
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<DIV>Message: 2 </DIV>
<DIV>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:45:25 -0400 </DIV>
<DIV>From: Raymond McLaughlin <driveray@ameritech.net> </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: [mdlug] President's mail bag - Store to offer Linux </DIV>
<DIV>preinstalled </DIV>
<DIV>To: "mdlug@mdlug.org" <mdlug@mdlug.org> </DIV>
<DIV>Message-ID: <465F9655.8010007@ameritech.net> </DIV>
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<DIV>Mr. Hughs, </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Thank you for contacting me. I find your idea both intriguing and
</DIV>
<DIV>exciting. Right now I am swamped with other pressing business, but I
</DIV>
<DIV>hope to be able to provide more extensive input in the next few weeks.
</DIV><BR>
<DIV>For the time being I will pass your letter on to our membership. I must
</DIV>
<DIV>tell you that Computer Builders Warehouse got something of a bad </DIV>
<DIV>reputation in our group a couple of years ago. If I recall they were
</DIV>
<DIV>promoting questionable MS 'facts' of some sort. I don't recall the
</DIV>
<DIV>details off hand. Your project could go a long ways toward changing
this. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>I hope to be able to drop by your store some time in the next few
weeks. </DIV>
<DIV>Is there any chance that your store could accommodate a "mini </DIV>
<DIV>meeting" of about a dozen people? Just a thought. In the mean time I
</DIV>
<DIV>suggest that you join one or more of our mailing lists to get an </DIV>
<DIV>idea of our group's inclinations. Be warned that purely commercial
</DIV>
<DIV>postings are considered spam, and greatly frowned upon. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>I hope to see you soon </DIV>
<DIV>Raymond McLaughlin </DIV>
<DIV>President MDLUG </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Rich Hughes wrote: </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>Hello Mr. McLaughlin, </DIV><BR>
<DIV>My name is Rich Hughes, I manage the Computer Builders Warehouse
store </DIV>
<DIV>inside Great Lakes Crossing. I also run www.linuxtechdaily.com
</DIV>
<DIV><http://www.linuxtechdaily.com> and have written for other
Linux </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>websites. </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>I'm writing to announce to you and your group that my store in
Great </DIV>
<DIV>Lakes Crossing has been approved for a pilot program, offering
Linux </DIV>
<DIV>based systems. If it is successful it will expand to our other
</DIV>
<DIV>locations. We are also considering offering preloaded laptops.
Currently </DIV>
<DIV>I have an Ubuntu 7.04 system decked out with the full Compiz/Beryl
3D </DIV>
<DIV>desktop. The reaction to it has been overwhelmingly positive. It is
</DIV>
<DIV>helping to show that Linux is ready for home use. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>The Sytem Specs are: </DIV>
<DIV>AMD Athlon 64 3200+ </DIV>
<DIV>1 GB DDR2 Memory </DIV>
<DIV>80 GB SATA2 Hard Drive </DIV>
<DIV>18X Dual Layer DVD Burner </DIV>
<DIV>MSI Nvidia 7300GT PCIe Card </DIV><BR>
<DIV>We are selling the system for $399. We have the ability to custom
build </DIV>
<DIV>any system and load any version of Linux on it, but are trying this
</DIV>
<DIV>combo out to see how it does. I believe our non-propriatery, open
</DIV>
<DIV>architecture systems are a perfect match for Free Software.
</DIV><BR>
<DIV>Frankly, I'm asking for MDLUG's support. I think there is enormous
</DIV>
<DIV>potential for success here. With the failure of Vista, and the
strides </DIV>
<DIV>Linux is making, I think now is the time. I'd love to get your
members </DIV>
<DIV>out here into the store to check out this system. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>I'm also interested in feedback in what systems people might be
</DIV>
<DIV>interested in. Distro, system specs, etc... </DIV>
<DIV>If anyone wants to check out our website www.cbwstores.com </DIV>
<DIV><http://www.cbwstores.com> , look at our stock and let me
know what they </DIV>
<DIV>would be interested in, I'd be happy to email back a coupon. My
email is </DIV>
<DIV>rhughes@cbwstores.com <mailto:rhughes@cbwstores.com> .
</DIV><BR>
<DIV>I appreciate your time, I hope your group gets excited about this.
I </DIV>
<DIV>think it is a great opportunity for the community, and for our
stores. </DIV>
<DIV>Feel free to call at any time or drop me an email. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Thank You, </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Rich Hughes </DIV>
<DIV>Store Manager </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Computer Builders Warehouse </DIV>
<DIV>Great Lakes Crossing </DIV>
<DIV>4354 Baldwin Road - Ste. 708 </DIV>
<DIV>Auburn Hills, MI 48326 </DIV>
<DIV>Tel: (248) 334-3061 </DIV>
<DIV>Fax: (248) 334-5373 </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>------------------------------ </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Message: 3 </DIV>
<DIV>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:32:17 -0400 </DIV>
<DIV>From: Wolfger <wolfger@gmail.com> </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: [mdlug] Forget Perl, I'm switching to LOLCODE! </DIV>
<DIV>To: "MDLUG Main" <mdlug@mdlug.org> </DIV>
<DIV>Message-ID: </DIV>
<DIV><3b00b3330706010432q6a974415r469a306223debc4c@mail.gmail.com>
</DIV>
<DIV>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed </DIV><BR>
<DIV>http://lolcode.com/home </DIV><BR>
<DIV>-- </DIV>
<DIV>Wolfger </DIV>
<DIV>http://wolfger.wordpress.com/ </DIV>
<DIV>http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/ </DIV>
<DIV>AOL IM: wolf4coyot </DIV>
<DIV>Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer </DIV>
<DIV>Skype: wolfger88 </DIV><BR>
<DIV>------------------------------ </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Message: 4 </DIV>
<DIV>Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:41:06 -0400 </DIV>
<DIV>From: Robert Adkins <radkins@impelind.com> </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Forget Perl, I'm switching to LOLCODE! </DIV>
<DIV>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug@mdlug.org> </DIV>
<DIV>Message-ID: <466013E2.2000208@impelind.com> </DIV>
<DIV>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Is it wrong that I actually understand the "code"? </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Wolfger wrote: </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>http://lolcode.com/home </DIV><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>------------------------------ </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Message: 5 </DIV>
<DIV>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:35:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) </DIV>
<DIV>From: Michael Corral <micorral@comcast.net> </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Forget Perl, I'm switching to LOLCODE! </DIV>
<DIV>To: MDLUG <mdlug@mdlug.org> </DIV>
<DIV>Message-ID: </DIV>
<DIV><Pine.WNT.4.64.0706011034140.2540@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
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<DIV>Wolfger a ecrit: </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>http://lolcode.com/home </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>Well, it is more readable... </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Michael </DIV><BR>
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