From tesral at comcast.net Mon Nov 3 21:11:22 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:11:22 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Hawking Print Server Message-ID: <490FAF4A.6090104@comcast.net> For sale, one Hawking Print server, supports one parallel port and two usb printers. $20.00 -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From peter at petertheplumber.net Tue Nov 25 11:34:10 2008 From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:34:10 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ Message-ID: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Warning, I'm getting on a soapbox!! What is it with kids?? I know I sound like my Dad . I set up my old T30 Thinkpad for my step daughter. Opensuse 10.3. Pretty well loaded it up, all the ipod tools, frostwire (I wouldn't do limewire because it keeps wanting root file access), lots of cd ripping tools, all gui stuff. Several email clients, browsers, games, etc. All the stuff I hear her talk about or know that she likes. I explained about it's not windows, don't bother downloading programs. It got used now and again, very infrequently. Myspace surfing, IM, listening to music. I would find some Windows setup program for one or more programs every time. I would usually install the Linux equivalent unless it wasn't available or wanted something I wasn't willing to give. After several months it was finally used for what I intended it for; because her Dads had crashed; to do a school assignment. It was finally taken with but returned several days later, because they were unable to log on. I had tried to troubleshoot over the phone but that wasn't going to work. I toggled the caps lock key and signed on...... I kept it for several more days and let her know it was ready. There is sat. It's a good solid machine that works very well, but it's not MS so it gets treated like a red headed stepchild. The menus are almost identical, I even renamed programs so anyone would know. Put links on the desktop, etc. The other night she was here showing Mom something on the web on Moms notebook, or trying to. Something wouldn't work, I counted no less than eight reboots by the sound file. God forbid I get asked, of course it may have something to do with the fact that I get asked late at night after it's completely fubared and I simply then put it on my pile to look at later. MS has apparently not only conditioned a lot of people to simply reboot and try again, and again, and again ad nauseum. Same with downloading .exe files. The common wisdom seems to be if it doesn't look like it should; MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them Best Regards, -- Peter Bart http://petertheplumber.net From riggs.brian at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 11:48:30 2008 From: riggs.brian at gmail.com (Brian Riggs) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: I actually have my niece, 17 at the time of setting her up, with a SuSE 9 box, and my mother-in-law, 66, with Unbuntu and they have had no problems, and prefer it to M$. Good luck. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Peter Bart wrote: > Warning, I'm getting on a soapbox!! > > What is it with kids?? I know I sound like my Dad . I set up > my > old T30 Thinkpad for my step daughter. Opensuse 10.3. Pretty well loaded > it up, all the ipod tools, frostwire (I wouldn't do limewire because it > keeps wanting root file access), lots of cd ripping tools, all gui > stuff. Several email clients, browsers, games, etc. All the stuff I hear > her talk about or know that she likes. I explained about it's not > windows, don't bother downloading programs. It got used now and again, > very infrequently. Myspace surfing, IM, listening to music. I would find > some Windows setup program for one or more programs every time. I would > usually install the Linux equivalent unless it wasn't available or > wanted something I wasn't willing to give. After several months it was > finally used for what I intended it for; because her Dads had crashed; > to do a school assignment. It was finally taken with but returned > several days later, because they were unable to log on. I had tried to > troubleshoot over the phone but that wasn't going to work. I toggled the > caps lock key and signed on...... I kept it for several more days and > let her know it was ready. There is sat. It's a good solid machine that > works very well, but it's not MS so it gets treated like a red headed > stepchild. The menus are almost identical, I even renamed programs so > anyone would know. Put links on the desktop, etc. The other night she > was here showing Mom something on the web on Moms notebook, or trying > to. Something wouldn't work, I counted no less than eight reboots by the > sound file. God forbid I get asked, of course it may have something to > do with the fact that I get asked late at night after it's completely > fubared and I simply then put it on my pile to look at later. MS has > apparently not only conditioned a lot of people to simply reboot and try > again, and again, and again ad nauseum. Same with downloading .exe > files. The common wisdom seems to be if it doesn't look like it should; > MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an > ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod > management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they > smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them > > Best Regards, > -- > Peter Bart > http://petertheplumber.net > > _______________________________________________ > mdlug-discuss mailing list > mdlug-discuss at mdlug.org > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at petertheplumber.net Tue Nov 25 12:14:39 2008 From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:14:39 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <1227633279.24129.135.camel@peter-notebook.site> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:48 -0500, Brian Riggs wrote: > I actually have my niece, 17 at the time of setting her up, with a > SuSE 9 box, and my mother-in-law, 66, with Unbuntu and they have had > no problems, and prefer it to M$. Good luck. Thanks ;) I was actually aimlessly ranting, I think. My girlfriend actually is quite the convert. I have her on opensuse 10.3 going to 11 shortly. Despite me fubaring her notebook; now and again, tweaking she seems to prefer it to MS. She got a new notebook last xmas and wasn't happy about it until she realized all her files/bookmarks were allready there. I'm guessing that has a hidden story somewhere. When friends and family complain about the computer troubles they're having, she just smiles and says she doesn't bother since the penguin lives at our house. -- Peter Bart http://petertheplumber.net From tesral at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 12:51:36 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> Peter Bart wrote: > MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an > ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod > management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they > smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them > > Best Regards, > DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! Seriously, it's is very difficult to ween the average "consumer" away from the comfortable. Even if it doesn't work right. -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From tesral at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 12:53:02 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:53:02 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227633279.24129.135.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> <1227633279.24129.135.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <492C3B7E.6030603@comcast.net> Peter Bart wrote: > When friends and family complain about the computer troubles they're having, she just smiles and says she doesn't bother since the penguin lives at our house. > > AWK! -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From peter at petertheplumber.net Tue Nov 25 13:08:18 2008 From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:08:18 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1227636498.24129.170.camel@peter-notebook.site> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 12:51 -0500, Garry Stahl wrote: > Peter Bart wrote: > > MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an > > ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod > > management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they > > smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them > > > > Best Regards, > > > DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! > > Seriously, it's is very difficult to ween the average "consumer" away > from the comfortable. Even if it doesn't work right. That's pretty much the conclusion I've come to. But as I noticed the other day Linux powered Eee's are being sold at Target. Last year I think it was Walmart that sold a Linux powered desktop. The Eee is a huge step up up from that! You know how that works. Big corporation is telling me it's good for me so I need it! Reminds me of the other day having a discussion about water heater insulating blankets. The last comment was: if it's not a good idea then why do they sell them? Best Regards, -- Peter Bart http://petertheplumber.net From tesral at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 13:14:36 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:14:36 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227636498.24129.170.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> <1227636498.24129.170.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <492C408C.7040005@comcast.net> Peter Bart wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 12:51 -0500, Garry Stahl wrote: > >> Peter Bart wrote: >> >>> MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an >>> ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod >>> management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they >>> smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> >> DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! >> >> Seriously, it's is very difficult to ween the average "consumer" away >> from the comfortable. Even if it doesn't work right. >> > > That's pretty much the conclusion I've come to. But as I noticed the > other day Linux powered Eee's are being sold at Target. Last year I > think it was Walmart that sold a Linux powered desktop. The Eee is a > huge step up up from that! You know how that works. Big corporation is > telling me it's good for me so I need it! > Reminds me of the other day having a discussion about water heater > insulating blankets. The last comment was: if it's not a good idea then > why do they sell them? > AUGH! As Charlie Brown would say. The new Power vent is working fine. Once I replace the broken saddle valve I'll have the humidifier working again too. Good water heater, the exterior shell is perfectly ambient. -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From tesral at comcast.net Mon Nov 3 21:11:22 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:11:22 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Hawking Print Server Message-ID: <490FAF4A.6090104@comcast.net> For sale, one Hawking Print server, supports one parallel port and two usb printers. $20.00 -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From peter at petertheplumber.net Tue Nov 25 11:34:10 2008 From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:34:10 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ Message-ID: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Warning, I'm getting on a soapbox!! What is it with kids?? I know I sound like my Dad . I set up my old T30 Thinkpad for my step daughter. Opensuse 10.3. Pretty well loaded it up, all the ipod tools, frostwire (I wouldn't do limewire because it keeps wanting root file access), lots of cd ripping tools, all gui stuff. Several email clients, browsers, games, etc. All the stuff I hear her talk about or know that she likes. I explained about it's not windows, don't bother downloading programs. It got used now and again, very infrequently. Myspace surfing, IM, listening to music. I would find some Windows setup program for one or more programs every time. I would usually install the Linux equivalent unless it wasn't available or wanted something I wasn't willing to give. After several months it was finally used for what I intended it for; because her Dads had crashed; to do a school assignment. It was finally taken with but returned several days later, because they were unable to log on. I had tried to troubleshoot over the phone but that wasn't going to work. I toggled the caps lock key and signed on...... I kept it for several more days and let her know it was ready. There is sat. It's a good solid machine that works very well, but it's not MS so it gets treated like a red headed stepchild. The menus are almost identical, I even renamed programs so anyone would know. Put links on the desktop, etc. The other night she was here showing Mom something on the web on Moms notebook, or trying to. Something wouldn't work, I counted no less than eight reboots by the sound file. God forbid I get asked, of course it may have something to do with the fact that I get asked late at night after it's completely fubared and I simply then put it on my pile to look at later. MS has apparently not only conditioned a lot of people to simply reboot and try again, and again, and again ad nauseum. Same with downloading .exe files. The common wisdom seems to be if it doesn't look like it should; MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them Best Regards, -- Peter Bart http://petertheplumber.net From riggs.brian at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 11:48:30 2008 From: riggs.brian at gmail.com (Brian Riggs) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: I actually have my niece, 17 at the time of setting her up, with a SuSE 9 box, and my mother-in-law, 66, with Unbuntu and they have had no problems, and prefer it to M$. Good luck. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Peter Bart wrote: > Warning, I'm getting on a soapbox!! > > What is it with kids?? I know I sound like my Dad . I set up > my > old T30 Thinkpad for my step daughter. Opensuse 10.3. Pretty well loaded > it up, all the ipod tools, frostwire (I wouldn't do limewire because it > keeps wanting root file access), lots of cd ripping tools, all gui > stuff. Several email clients, browsers, games, etc. All the stuff I hear > her talk about or know that she likes. I explained about it's not > windows, don't bother downloading programs. It got used now and again, > very infrequently. Myspace surfing, IM, listening to music. I would find > some Windows setup program for one or more programs every time. I would > usually install the Linux equivalent unless it wasn't available or > wanted something I wasn't willing to give. After several months it was > finally used for what I intended it for; because her Dads had crashed; > to do a school assignment. It was finally taken with but returned > several days later, because they were unable to log on. I had tried to > troubleshoot over the phone but that wasn't going to work. I toggled the > caps lock key and signed on...... I kept it for several more days and > let her know it was ready. There is sat. It's a good solid machine that > works very well, but it's not MS so it gets treated like a red headed > stepchild. The menus are almost identical, I even renamed programs so > anyone would know. Put links on the desktop, etc. The other night she > was here showing Mom something on the web on Moms notebook, or trying > to. Something wouldn't work, I counted no less than eight reboots by the > sound file. God forbid I get asked, of course it may have something to > do with the fact that I get asked late at night after it's completely > fubared and I simply then put it on my pile to look at later. MS has > apparently not only conditioned a lot of people to simply reboot and try > again, and again, and again ad nauseum. Same with downloading .exe > files. The common wisdom seems to be if it doesn't look like it should; > MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an > ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod > management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they > smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them > > Best Regards, > -- > Peter Bart > http://petertheplumber.net > > _______________________________________________ > mdlug-discuss mailing list > mdlug-discuss at mdlug.org > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at petertheplumber.net Tue Nov 25 12:14:39 2008 From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:14:39 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <1227633279.24129.135.camel@peter-notebook.site> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:48 -0500, Brian Riggs wrote: > I actually have my niece, 17 at the time of setting her up, with a > SuSE 9 box, and my mother-in-law, 66, with Unbuntu and they have had > no problems, and prefer it to M$. Good luck. Thanks ;) I was actually aimlessly ranting, I think. My girlfriend actually is quite the convert. I have her on opensuse 10.3 going to 11 shortly. Despite me fubaring her notebook; now and again, tweaking she seems to prefer it to MS. She got a new notebook last xmas and wasn't happy about it until she realized all her files/bookmarks were allready there. I'm guessing that has a hidden story somewhere. When friends and family complain about the computer troubles they're having, she just smiles and says she doesn't bother since the penguin lives at our house. -- Peter Bart http://petertheplumber.net From tesral at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 12:51:36 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> Peter Bart wrote: > MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an > ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod > management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they > smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them > > Best Regards, > DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! Seriously, it's is very difficult to ween the average "consumer" away from the comfortable. Even if it doesn't work right. -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From tesral at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 12:53:02 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:53:02 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227633279.24129.135.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> <1227633279.24129.135.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <492C3B7E.6030603@comcast.net> Peter Bart wrote: > When friends and family complain about the computer troubles they're having, she just smiles and says she doesn't bother since the penguin lives at our house. > > AWK! -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org From peter at petertheplumber.net Tue Nov 25 13:08:18 2008 From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:08:18 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1227636498.24129.170.camel@peter-notebook.site> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 12:51 -0500, Garry Stahl wrote: > Peter Bart wrote: > > MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an > > ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod > > management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they > > smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them > > > > Best Regards, > > > DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! > > Seriously, it's is very difficult to ween the average "consumer" away > from the comfortable. Even if it doesn't work right. That's pretty much the conclusion I've come to. But as I noticed the other day Linux powered Eee's are being sold at Target. Last year I think it was Walmart that sold a Linux powered desktop. The Eee is a huge step up up from that! You know how that works. Big corporation is telling me it's good for me so I need it! Reminds me of the other day having a discussion about water heater insulating blankets. The last comment was: if it's not a good idea then why do they sell them? Best Regards, -- Peter Bart http://petertheplumber.net From tesral at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 13:14:36 2008 From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:14:36 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-discuss] Speaking Of Teenagers........ In-Reply-To: <1227636498.24129.170.camel@peter-notebook.site> References: <1227630850.24129.111.camel@peter-notebook.site> <492C3B28.5010009@comcast.net> <1227636498.24129.170.camel@peter-notebook.site> Message-ID: <492C408C.7040005@comcast.net> Peter Bart wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 12:51 -0500, Garry Stahl wrote: > >> Peter Bart wrote: >> >>> MS; then it can't work. Of course this is the same child that has an >>> ipod, and must pray to the church of Cupertino. Any of the ipod >>> management tools don't get used, itunes must be used. I hope they >>> smarten/wise up because my social security depends on them >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> >> DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! >> >> Seriously, it's is very difficult to ween the average "consumer" away >> from the comfortable. Even if it doesn't work right. >> > > That's pretty much the conclusion I've come to. But as I noticed the > other day Linux powered Eee's are being sold at Target. Last year I > think it was Walmart that sold a Linux powered desktop. The Eee is a > huge step up up from that! You know how that works. Big corporation is > telling me it's good for me so I need it! > Reminds me of the other day having a discussion about water heater > insulating blankets. The last comment was: if it's not a good idea then > why do they sell them? > AUGH! As Charlie Brown would say. The new Power vent is working fine. Once I replace the broken saddle valve I'll have the humidifier working again too. Good water heater, the exterior shell is perfectly ambient. -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org