[mdlug-discuss] [mdlug] OT - IR jamming

[Aaron Kulkis]

Raymond Ingles wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
>> Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>>  >> Waterboarding was prosecuted after WWII???
>>  >> If so, then why haven't the opponents publicized it?
>>  >
>>  >  Um... they have.
>>  > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html
>>  > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
>>  > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15886834
>>  >
>>  >  Actually, I learned something there:
>>  >
>>  > "On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced 'a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk.' The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier."
>>  >
>>
>>  North Vietnamese in WW2???
>>
>>  You've gone off the deep end.
> 
>  Wow - I really have to spell that out? The articles, which you
> apparently haven't read, talk about the prosecution of Japanese
> officers who tortured captured Americans in WWII. Go read them.

Yes, the Japanese treatment of POW's was notorious.

In addition to the usual beatings, being held for days/weeks
in small, cramped metal boxes in the sun with little water,
bamboo shoots under the fingernails, etc, the WW2 POW's were
also used as subjects for biological warfare experiments
and chemical warfare experiments.

> There's no point in asking me to back up what I say if you don't
> actually look at the backup I produce.

What does ANY that have to do with a 45-seconds scare session,
which leaves the subject both physically and mentally unharmed?

> 
> Now, I hadn't heard about the U.S. officer prosecuted in Vietnam -
> which, yes, happened after WWII - and that's why I said, quote: "I
> learned something there", unquote. As in a new thing, *beyond* the
> discussion about WWII.
> 

Usually when someone says "prosecuted after WW2", they're talking
about the WW2 war crimes trials in Nurenburg and the like.



>  Geez, and *I'm* the one being called 'disingenuous'.

Waterboarding is something that EVERY graduate of the
Escape and Evasion school goes through ... and I know
several people who are graduates of that school.

I've never once heard any serviceman (aircrew, or others
who routinely operate in enemy territory far away from
friendlies) complain that they were tortured in E&E school.


This whole debate is nothing more than a deliberate ploy
by the hate-America crowd to generate guarantees to the
enemy that they should have no fear of fighting against
us.  In short, the whole movement is treasonous.