[mdlug-discuss] Ethanol vs gasoline economy [Was: [mdlug] Automotive technical info ...]

[Robert Adkins]

allen wrote:
> Bradley McMahon wrote:
>   
>> Yes ethanol burns clean but let's not forget the by product of ethanol
>> CO2 ( a green house gas). If any one has been paying attention the
>> move to ethanol is to stop releasing CO2 into the air or at least
>> limit it. I am not sure how much the difference between ethanol and
>> gas Co2 emissions but it would be an interesting read.
>>
>> Brad
>>   
>>     
> If we're not going to sign on to Kyoto why would we subsidize the 
> production of ethanol to reduce carbon release?
>
> Touch base with the farm lobby if you want to know the reason why 
> ethanol production is vital to our national interests and the Kyoto 
> Accords is contrary to our national interest.
>
> Allen
    There's a shit-ton of things that are done that is contrary to our 
national interest.

    A huge one is the Free Trade Agreements that have been screwing US 
Manufacturing and the "Favored Trade Status" with certain nations that 
certainly aren't our friend.

    Buying the line that Kyoto is bad for our national interest, while 
not saying anything against the manufacturing being pushed wholesale 
outside of the US is.. kind of silly to me.

    Right now, the average age of a Tool&Die guy, the people who are the 
backbone of manufacturing, at least in the Detroit Area, is reaching 60. 
Twenty years ago, that average age was around 30 to 40. What happens 
when all that mentoring knowledge is gone and the we are in a pinch 
where we actually need manufacturing, like let's say the unthinkable 
happens and a conventional world war erupts with us on one side and 
China on the other?

    What are we going to do, import tanks, planes and warships from China?

    We need to do what's good for us and good for our future 
generations. If that means we can figure out some way of seriously 
cutting our Carbon Emissions, regardless of the costs and 
maintain/rebuild our manufacturing base, then we must do so.

    Before anyone starts up with the "Oh, but it's going to cost so 
much, think about the Profit Margins!!1!!!"

    Government Regulation has done more to spur the development of 
industry, creating many millions of jobs and growth in our economy than 
anything some Profit Margin concerned corporation ever as. I work in the 
Seating and Restraint industry that never would have existed, as it does 
today, without government regulation, there simply wasn't any 
draw/reason for the car companies to create any kind of safety industry 
until the government stepped in. Look at the rapid growth of the 
telecommunications industry after the government stepped in and broke up 
Ma Bell, does anyone in this list honestly believe that we would have 
had the telecommunications technology explosion we had if Ma Bell 
remained as it was?

    -Rob