From driveray at ameritech.net Wed Feb 20 16:02:25 2008 From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:02:25 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> Garry Stahl wrote: > Jeff Hanson wrote: >> Seriously though, maybe penguin-free? Overuse of Tux is starting to >> make Linux users look like a cult. That's debatable, Tux is simply a trademark. I'm pretty sure it's a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds, along with the word "Linux" > Wolfger wrote: >> >> Shut up and drink the kool-aid. ;-) Now, now, free speech is to be encouraged. As long as they drink their damn kool-aid. > I haven't decided on graphical elements as of yet. I am looking for > content right now. The two legacy MDLUG graphics are: and . These were printed on the vintage '99 MDLUG teeshirts, and the original web site. Alas the original line art is long, long gone. Al we have left are these rather small raster images which do not scale well. If anyone wants to fix some scaled up versions, or better yet convert to them vector images for us, please do. > Three elements outside of the graphical, which I will used to dress up > and fill. From eaglecoach at wwnet.com Wed Feb 20 19:41:35 2008 From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:41:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [mdlug-admin] [mdlug] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> (message from Garry Stahl on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:43:14 -0500) References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080221004135.5AEED19E60A@starfox.local> For those who've at least heard of linux. > 1: The Hook: A large statement to get attention. Got linux? > 2. The blurb: bundled office tools bundled browsers builtin virus prevention and much more -- Bob "It is in the compelling zest of high adventure and of victory, and in creative action, that man finds his supreme joys." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From eaglecoach at wwnet.com Wed Feb 20 19:34:47 2008 From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:34:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> (message from Raymond McLaughlin on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:02:25 -0500) References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20080221003447.5734619E608@starfox.local> > ..., Tux is simply a trademark. > I'm pretty sure it's a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds, > along with the word "Linux" linux Registered Trademark #74560867 -- http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&sno=74560867 Tux is officially the linux mascot (neither logo, nor trademark) bundled with linux 2.0 . The original Tux is copyright 2005 by Larry Ewing "Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me lewing at isc.tamu.edu and The GIMP if someone asks." -- Linux 2.0 Penguins by Larry Ewing Reporting, -- Bob "Polygraph tests are 20th-century witchcraft." -- Sam Ervin From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com Wed Feb 20 20:45:36 2008 From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <200802202045.36919.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> Have we thought about who the target audience is? You could make the coolest flyer on earth, but if you get the audience wrong, it is a total wast of time. Define the audience to broad and the flyer will have to be to general. Define it to narrow and you will have a hard time finding them. So the trick is to strike the right balance. Once you have a target audience, you have to find out what would make that audience read your flyer. Look for what are their needs that are not being served with other products. Lastly, as has been said here before, I think Linux should be promoted on it's own merits rather than on Microsoft bashing. Talking about the competition leads people to think about them. The goal is to have them focus on your product. Watch TV commercials for a while and you will find most don't name their competition. My $.02 Stan Green On Wednesday 20 February 2008 16:02, Raymond McLaughlin wrote: > Garry Stahl wrote: > > Jeff Hanson wrote: > >> Seriously though, maybe penguin-free? Overuse of Tux is starting to > >> make Linux users look like a cult. > > That's debatable, Tux is simply a trademark. I'm pretty sure it's a > registered trademark of Linus Torvalds, along with the word "Linux" > > > Wolfger wrote: > >> Shut up and drink the kool-aid. ;-) > > Now, now, free speech is to be encouraged. As long as they drink their > damn kool-aid. > > > I haven't decided on graphical elements as of yet. I am looking for > > content right now. > > The two legacy MDLUG graphics are: > and . These were printed on the > vintage '99 MDLUG teeshirts, and the original web site. Alas the > original line art is long, long gone. Al we have left are these rather > small raster images which do not scale well. If anyone wants to fix some > scaled up versions, or better yet convert to them vector images for us, > please do. > > > Three elements outside of the graphical, which I will used to dress up > > and fill. > > _______________________________________________ > mdlug-admin mailing list > mdlug-admin at mdlug.org > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug-admin From akulkis3 at hotpop.com Thu Feb 21 01:35:41 2008 From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:35:41 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <200802202045.36919.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> <200802202045.36919.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> Message-ID: <47BD1BBD.7090001@hotpop.com> Stan Green wrote: > Have we thought about who the target audience is? You could make the coolest > flyer on earth, but if you get the audience wrong, it is a total wast of > time. Define the audience to broad and the flyer will have to be to general. > Define it to narrow and you will have a hard time finding them. So the trick > is to strike the right balance. For businesses: The New York Stock Exchange runs on free software. How much do you pay every year for yours? From akulkis3 at hotpop.com Thu Feb 21 01:32:45 2008 From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:32:45 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] [mdlug] Flyer In-Reply-To: <20080221004135.5AEED19E60A@starfox.local> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <20080221004135.5AEED19E60A@starfox.local> Message-ID: <47BD1B0D.3020902@hotpop.com> Robert Meier wrote: > For those who've at least heard of linux. > >> 1: The Hook: A large statement to get attention. > > Got linux? > >> 2. The blurb: > > bundled office tools > bundled browsers > builtin virus prevention relational DATABASE managers > and much more Linux price: < $0 - $100 Windows price for equivalent software: > $50,000 From driveray at ameritech.net Wed Feb 20 16:02:25 2008 From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:02:25 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> Garry Stahl wrote: > Jeff Hanson wrote: >> Seriously though, maybe penguin-free? Overuse of Tux is starting to >> make Linux users look like a cult. That's debatable, Tux is simply a trademark. I'm pretty sure it's a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds, along with the word "Linux" > Wolfger wrote: >> >> Shut up and drink the kool-aid. ;-) Now, now, free speech is to be encouraged. As long as they drink their damn kool-aid. > I haven't decided on graphical elements as of yet. I am looking for > content right now. The two legacy MDLUG graphics are: and . These were printed on the vintage '99 MDLUG teeshirts, and the original web site. Alas the original line art is long, long gone. Al we have left are these rather small raster images which do not scale well. If anyone wants to fix some scaled up versions, or better yet convert to them vector images for us, please do. > Three elements outside of the graphical, which I will used to dress up > and fill. From eaglecoach at wwnet.com Wed Feb 20 19:41:35 2008 From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:41:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [mdlug-admin] [mdlug] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> (message from Garry Stahl on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:43:14 -0500) References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080221004135.5AEED19E60A@starfox.local> For those who've at least heard of linux. > 1: The Hook: A large statement to get attention. Got linux? > 2. The blurb: bundled office tools bundled browsers builtin virus prevention and much more -- Bob "It is in the compelling zest of high adventure and of victory, and in creative action, that man finds his supreme joys." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From eaglecoach at wwnet.com Wed Feb 20 19:34:47 2008 From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:34:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> (message from Raymond McLaughlin on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:02:25 -0500) References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20080221003447.5734619E608@starfox.local> > ..., Tux is simply a trademark. > I'm pretty sure it's a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds, > along with the word "Linux" linux Registered Trademark #74560867 -- http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&sno=74560867 Tux is officially the linux mascot (neither logo, nor trademark) bundled with linux 2.0 . The original Tux is copyright 2005 by Larry Ewing "Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me lewing at isc.tamu.edu and The GIMP if someone asks." -- Linux 2.0 Penguins by Larry Ewing Reporting, -- Bob "Polygraph tests are 20th-century witchcraft." -- Sam Ervin From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com Wed Feb 20 20:45:36 2008 From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <200802202045.36919.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> Have we thought about who the target audience is? You could make the coolest flyer on earth, but if you get the audience wrong, it is a total wast of time. Define the audience to broad and the flyer will have to be to general. Define it to narrow and you will have a hard time finding them. So the trick is to strike the right balance. Once you have a target audience, you have to find out what would make that audience read your flyer. Look for what are their needs that are not being served with other products. Lastly, as has been said here before, I think Linux should be promoted on it's own merits rather than on Microsoft bashing. Talking about the competition leads people to think about them. The goal is to have them focus on your product. Watch TV commercials for a while and you will find most don't name their competition. My $.02 Stan Green On Wednesday 20 February 2008 16:02, Raymond McLaughlin wrote: > Garry Stahl wrote: > > Jeff Hanson wrote: > >> Seriously though, maybe penguin-free? Overuse of Tux is starting to > >> make Linux users look like a cult. > > That's debatable, Tux is simply a trademark. I'm pretty sure it's a > registered trademark of Linus Torvalds, along with the word "Linux" > > > Wolfger wrote: > >> Shut up and drink the kool-aid. ;-) > > Now, now, free speech is to be encouraged. As long as they drink their > damn kool-aid. > > > I haven't decided on graphical elements as of yet. I am looking for > > content right now. > > The two legacy MDLUG graphics are: > and . These were printed on the > vintage '99 MDLUG teeshirts, and the original web site. Alas the > original line art is long, long gone. Al we have left are these rather > small raster images which do not scale well. If anyone wants to fix some > scaled up versions, or better yet convert to them vector images for us, > please do. > > > Three elements outside of the graphical, which I will used to dress up > > and fill. > > _______________________________________________ > mdlug-admin mailing list > mdlug-admin at mdlug.org > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug-admin From akulkis3 at hotpop.com Thu Feb 21 01:35:41 2008 From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:35:41 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] Flyer In-Reply-To: <200802202045.36919.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <47BC9561.3030803@ameritech.net> <200802202045.36919.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> Message-ID: <47BD1BBD.7090001@hotpop.com> Stan Green wrote: > Have we thought about who the target audience is? You could make the coolest > flyer on earth, but if you get the audience wrong, it is a total wast of > time. Define the audience to broad and the flyer will have to be to general. > Define it to narrow and you will have a hard time finding them. So the trick > is to strike the right balance. For businesses: The New York Stock Exchange runs on free software. How much do you pay every year for yours? From akulkis3 at hotpop.com Thu Feb 21 01:32:45 2008 From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:32:45 -0500 Subject: [mdlug-admin] [mdlug] Flyer In-Reply-To: <20080221004135.5AEED19E60A@starfox.local> References: <47AD032F.8050200@ameritech.net> <47AE4358.1080205@ameritech.net> <1202604348.5363.9.camel@laptop01> <47B796CD.90703@comcast.net> <47B7B475.2050809@hotpop.com> <47B8F693.5040307@comcast.net> <47BC5FA3.7020303@comcast.net> <47BC74C2.9080103@comcast.net> <20080221004135.5AEED19E60A@starfox.local> Message-ID: <47BD1B0D.3020902@hotpop.com> Robert Meier wrote: > For those who've at least heard of linux. > >> 1: The Hook: A large statement to get attention. > > Got linux? > >> 2. The blurb: > > bundled office tools > bundled browsers > builtin virus prevention relational DATABASE managers > and much more Linux price: < $0 - $100 Windows price for equivalent software: > $50,000